DEATHLY HALLOWS DISCUSSION [SPOILERS]

[Hogwarts]

I /just/ finished reading; just as the clock in the living room I was cemented in struck 10:15. And I am

FUCKING AMAZED.

I loved it. I sweat it. I breath it. I fuck it. I OMGOMG I FUCKING ADORE ITTT. FUCKING SHIT

FUCKING HELL

HARRY POTTER IS FUCKING OVERR

we finallyy knowwwwwwwwwwwww

fucking shittt!

=) !

Anyway. *breaths* I did like it, if you haven't gotten that point already. It took me so long to read (3 days? If I had forsaken the external world to give all my love and care to the book I could have been more than half through in that many hours...) because of work, a beach excursion with David, and being overcome with fever today. And oh yes, before I get to my opinion of the book - I am going to rant about how I went about BEFORE reading it. =]

So back to the motherfucking fever.

I woke up this morning, and by "waking up," I mean not pleasantly allowing my eyes to slide open well after 10 - I mean heaving and choking on my own flem and vomit at 'round 2:33 AM. After crawling to the kitchen for water and finally settling back for sleep - I woke up again 3 hours later to nearly the same episode - but this time I was less stupid and took some damn pills to stave off the death. So thennnnnn at 'round 6:05 or some shit I awoke again for good, my throat burning and drenched in sweat.

And I began to read, being already a good quarter of the way through, maybe more. And read. And read. And choked on flem. And then read. And then coughed down cereal only to chuck it up 3 minutes after my last spoonful. Then read. And then slept for an hour. Awoke choking; thought better to stay reading. Stayed reading 'til I passed out again. Read and read and read and I've been reading and trying to avoid life and phone calls (except for a few from the boo-boo, Dave ) and just immerse myself in the world JK was so skillfully pulling together for me, in full circle. An end but a beginning. An end to her brilliant narrative - but the beginning of even more life that her characters and plot lend to we fans and even more - the crazy lot of us fanfic writers who appreciate her tale, but honor our own. ;] (That said, I still hail Sevmione and Drarry above all, bitches!)

The book wasn't perfect. But what the fuck is? I scowled slightly of the shoved-in-as-to-avoid-revolt kiss between Ronmione and raised a brow at the sickening sweetness of the almost-too-good-to-be-realistic epilogue drowned in its flowery prettiness of "Rose" and "Lily" and "Albus Severus" (I laughed too, Rach - but at least that bitch knew better than to leave Snape's name out!) upon our beings so that the ten year olds being read the tale from mommy could have premature orgasms at knowing everything had ended just right.

But I loved it. I do love it.

Especially Snape. *LICK* *FAT GIANT -OMG I KNEW YOU FUCKING LOVED LILY YOU ADORABLE CUTE LITTLE LILY LOVER YOU- LICK* Guys, we called this. At least a few of us I did. Called the planned death between he and Dumbledore, called the longing from Snape to Lily - so upon reading "The Prince's Tale" I was less surprised than utterly justified and complacent. Ohhhh how I can't wait to brag to the fuckwads who went all "SNAPE IS SO EBIL!!!!!!!1111!!! OMFG HE KILLED DUMBLY OMGGG I SHAT MYSELF11!! DIE SEBERUS DIE." (= Fuck you, all who did not trust in Snape!

Severus. Oh dear Sev. When he died I stared at the words in shock, in awe as JK's audacity (Btw - watch your children bitch, I warned you about harming him :]). The tears didn't come until later, the stemmed tears being released from shock into misery and reverence on page 687 (uh, U.S. hard copy) when I had to face the fact that the doe patronus was his - his love for Lily. We all had speculated that his patronus was something fierce, a snake to rival Nagini or a jaguar as sleek and black as Snape's frock coat. But a doe? And because his undying love for Lily? When he replied to Dumbledore's question "After all this time?" with "Always" my face crumpled completely ... even now ... fuck ... I can't help but tear up. I miss him already. </3

I think Snape's final words, "Look ... at ... me" to Harry explained a lot of significance about Lily's green eyes that JK always blathered about. Snape accepted his death upon gazing into the green he had always loved. It did say that he died a second within the eye contact. RIP you fucking sexy beasttt. I'll meet you there ;]

There's so much more in my heart that's bubbling about Severus --- but I have to move on or this will NEVER end,

really,

because I could go on about Snape and his bravery and his blazing hotness forever and ever.

But moving on...

*sigh* Nothing seems as important.

Oh yeah - Harry lives! Whoop. Yay. Here here. (Who fucking cares, Snape is dead *weeps*) ... And his gratitude to Snape after all he saw in the Pensieve? A fucking middle name to some Slytherin-fearing punk Ginny births years later. In MY humble opinion the little fuckwit should have been named Severus Snape Potter ( ;D) ... but when does JK ever listen to me?

I was pleased with the pace of the story (though "clunky" at some portions, as The New York Times claimed), the progression of JK's final plot, the ties that the tale made to weave together a web of sense and victory to all reading. Yum. Enjoyed Neville's bravery (I'd so suck his dick after that war), Harry/Ginny (Never minded them together really, but still would prefer him with Draco), Snape's chapter, the tale of the Deathly Hallows which made me finally appreciate the title (before I was all WTF? You're ending the series with the word 'DEATHLY'?! What happened to a little hope JK... but now I get it =]) - just as a whole I think the final book was the -almost- perfect adieu bidded to such a monumental and addicting series and world that JK fostered and now we behold.

Didn't like Ronmione (uhhhh duhhh), Ron's bitchiness somewhere in the middle, Fred/Tonks/Remus dying (*sniff* Not enough credit given to them in the end, I think they could have been stuck in the epilogue somewhereee [AKA why the fuck are you naming your son 'Hugo', Ron, when you brother died by your side] and was a little bemused by Teddy "snogging" a "Victoire" which I would have bet money on being a fucking guy if all of them hadn't been so accepting of it [btw - cousin? Sooo... is that Bill's kid?]), the moany-ness of Hermione after Ron copped out (see, they bring out the worst in one another... ), and how when Harry finally defeated Voldemort it seemed a bit rushed, even though I know it probably wasn't after 740+ pages, but still the quickness and finality of it made me have to double take.

I did like how she tried to fool us at first, with Harry being "dead" and all, and appreciated how she tried to backtrack and explain some of her madness with his conversation with Dumbledore (nice to have his narrative included in the story). The epilogue was a little too sugary - I think it may have been better to be not so centered on Ron, Harry, and Hermione's kids, but instead based around many fleeting (but substantial in idea) glimpses/details into many people's lives after the war (a la the Dark Marks' epilogue - haha - from EE...) Now I'm left to wonder of Luna, the rest of the Weasley's, Ted's life beyond kissing some "Victoire," and bahhh so much more I can't even think of it.

More that I liked: Narcissa's never ending, almost Lily-like defense of her son, Molly calling Bellatrix "BITCH" (such a glorious moment - I cackled with glee - finally, JK, some reality amidst the cookie-cutter dialogue), Muriel (she's one of those 'lol @ that bitch' characters), finally learning of Dumbledore's background (Poor Ariana? And oh - Aberforth is fabulousss - goat fucking or not!) and ahhh so much more I'm sure I won't even think on it until later.

So minus the epilogue the book was triumph, to me. And not because Harry defeated evil for all time - but because it ended as it began - with dignity, humor, and simplicity amongst a thick plot and colorful characters.

I'm only so sad to see it go. But I'll never let go, like that crazy bitch from Titanic. =D

Now off to reread Snape's part again... 'cause he matters most to this bitch! But I'll probably be back soon with the many musings I no doubt have yet to spew to youuu. And I know you love how I make everything pertaining to myself a novel to rival JK's ;]

[Hogwarts]

Also loved Kreacher. Wanted him castrated (whether House Elves even have penises or not) at the end of OotP but now sweat his precious, kidney-pie loving balls. Sad for Dobby and Hedwig. She could have wrapped up more about Mad-Eye besides Harry just shoving eye ball in some random strip of earth. Absolut - I think Voldie's AK didn't completely fuck Harry off because of the bravery and love that protected him yet againnn by standing off to Death for the sake of the lives of others. Plus Nagini still had to be killed and whatever (btw - good job Neville! And your grandma's hot).

When Horcruxes were introduced to the plot in HBP I was all "guhhhh" 'cause I didn't fully get them and how they would affect the final story but now I know and I liked that train of thought JK had, about soul-splitting and shit. And didn't I rant on and on about how a bit Voldie lived in Harry soul/scar - an obvious route for JK to take - and she did, but it had a pleasurable outcome, I think.

[Hogwarts]

And one more thing - wish JK had included dates! Like hello bitch - what fucking day of what fucking month was the most terrorizing wizard of all time defeated? Not too important, but somewhat, you know? Since it came after Easter holiday and school wasn't completely near it's end I'll take a guess of somewhere in May.

[Mary]

haha that was brilliant Hogwarts!!

I expected the epilogue to kinda say more cuz now im wondering about the Dursleys, Luna, and all the other characters....but I think JK wrote it in case she wishes to continue writing in the future...it would be about the next generation of students at Hogwarts...but I figured one thing out...

Harry's middle child, Albus Severus Potter. His initials as ASP...an asp is the most venomous snake

[WIKIPEDIA: Asp is the modern/anglicized form of aspis. In antiquity the name refers to a venomous snake of Egypt from the Nile delta region and generally assumed to refer to the Egyptian cobra, but a wide array of other snakes were called asps. The asp was a symbol of royalty in dynastic and Roman Egypt. Extremely venomous, the asp was often used as a means of execution for criminals who had attained a favoured status and were thought deserving of a death more dignified than typical executions. The Greeks also used them for executions.]

Ok so now young Albus feared getting into Slytherin...he was also the one that seemed more like his father...idk i see a connection there...maybe Albus does get sorted into Slytherin... and then he finds some hidden talents and before u know it..."Albus Potter and the...."
lol ok im getting carried away now...

=P

[Lizzi]

albus potter and the venimos snake!
haha sorry

[Hogwarts]

Haaa Mary - 'tis interesting...

The more I think on it, the more unsettled I am about the epilogue. I really, really wish JK hadn't gone the route of gushing merrily about badly-named kids and their would be life at school because the effect it's going to have on the fanfiction world: my stomach turns at thinking of the thousand HARRY POTTER KIDS!FUTURE fics that are bound to arise in the coming days. Now I'll have to wade through the "Rose Weasley and James Potter fell in love and Lily loves Draco's son (Scorpius?) and Albus Severus is bound to be gay with Neville's son and blah fucking blah." Now there's no more imagination to the gang's offspring. So yeah, a bit more disappointed about that now that the glow of finishing the book is almost gone from me. Ah well though. Still love the thing as a whole - just wish JK hasn't shit daises on the epilogue, you know?

Oh and I just realized - 'Victoire' ... probably pronounced 'Victory' ... now I get it.

[Hogwarts]

But I must admit, JK has given me leeway to write a Snape/Lily fic that merges into Sevmione. AU is fine with me, now that the books are over. =D And a little plot-bunny has already nested in my head about a marriage-and-child-weary Hermione falling in love with the memory of Severus... =]

[Hogwarts]

*obsesses over Snape and Lily*

...

AHHH. Going off to go look for S/L fic!

[Nahtan]

// Went to post this before, internet stuffed it!//

I dont know if I read it here or on another media source, but rumour has it that if JK does write another book, it may be about the things she didn't answer in the HP books.

I found Sevs death actually very interesting. I think the actual dying part was a little bland, but I never thought his death would be heroic or something. But I found it brilliant how JK made the Memory part. It showed that he was evil, but changed. Showed why Dumbledore trusted snape whilst no one else did and expressed snapes..... love.... for harry and lily. And it was then that we seen how brave and full of courage snape was. So harry naming his child Albus sev was more then fine for me, because it was truly the name of the two most bravest and..... kinda nicest people hogwarts has ever seen. It kind allowed me to respect Snape a great deal more.

I never though the guesses of Harry being the Horcrux true because peoples explanations of it were weak, but JKs were brilliant! I think she ended the book well and the Epilogue was actually very cool.

And I loved the running and hiding in the middle. It made me think of WW1 and WW2. I found it to really show what it was like when Voldy was first in power. It was actually really freaky for the fact that it reminded me so much of Muggle war.

I also must say that I found Godrics Hollow way too yucky for my liking. The grave yard and way to quite and empty, the snake in the woman was just a FREAKY and the remains of Harrys ma and pa's house was worrying for some stupid reason.

I know I keep re-posting, but things just always keep coming to my head.

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Hogwarts, I have never read anything more funny! Nice ranting

I have already been told thousands of times about how people think there will be a Albus Potter and the...... some even thinking it will be written by J # Rowling, J standing for Jessica, JKs doughter! I cracked up when I heard that.

But it would be a brilliant twist if JK released an unknown book that had no advertising or anything. It just showed up on the selfs and it was the Eighth book in the series. That would be brilliant!

[Hogwarts]

Nathan - funny, I thought Snape's memories showed that he was anything -but- evil at the core, a characteristic he well knew would be his downfall. I thought there was less of a change than he masking the love and "good" that was within him. But then again, I'm a romantic. Anyway, maybe the prospect of Lily's love was the reason he remained so strong and unwielding in his double-agent role for all those years.

Lookie what I've found, fellow newfound Snape/Lily devotees (okay, I've always liked them as a pairing, but now I'm enamored) - www.fanfiction.net/s/846147/1/All_My_Sins_Remembered

<333

[Nahtan]

Well I said he changed. He only turned a little nutty at school, going through to the dark arts, then came a death eater. It wasn't until Lily had death marked on her that he turned nice. He had always loved Harry and Lily, but none the less, he was still a death eater.

I must also add, I liked it how at the near end of HBP and through DH the Malfoys became good in a twisted way. Thought it was cool that they stayed at hogwarts, silently celebrating the death of there master which I think all three of them feared him most.

[Stace]

*sobs heartily*

It.
is.
over.

And it was magnificent and terrifying in equal measures and omg, I can't even think about it properly, everything is just flying out at me and jabbing my brain!

Was anyone else absolutely horrified by the Burbage woman dying in the first chapter? I just thought the imagery of her suspended there upside down above a table of death eaters was just so twisted and macabre... really set the mood for the rest of the story though.

And when they did the 7 Harry's thing and as soon as they were air-borne the DE's surrounded them, WOW, I nearly toppled out of my seat I was so shocked. Normally that kind of stuff doesn't happen until close to the end, not mad action within the first 10 minutes.

I thought the whole hallows backstory thing with Dumbledore and Grindelwald and all the Ariana and Aberforth stuff was just fabulous! I just fell in love with HP even more at the fact that a throwaway line from a chocolate frog card about some ebil Grindelwald dude comes back and plays a massive role in book7. <3

Oh Kreacher too, god I felt so much affection for him when he was making them all tea and stuff after the RAB story came out. And btw, almost cried again for RAB after he left himself get taken by the Inferi and poor Kreacher had to leave him behind. T.T I just had horrible mental images of the poor elf getting tortured when the DE's inevitably turn up at Grimmauld after the Ministy fiasco and see him with a mountain of food served up and no Harry. Kreacher.

I totally broke down as well when Hermione was getting Crucio'd by Bellatrix. She's always, always been my favourite and this is going to sound stupid but I think it was more affecting because she's a girl? IDK but... :x

OH and Dobby. Was just so valiant and noble and wonderful. "Here lies Dobby, a Free Elf" was one of the most affecting lines from the entire book.

And darling, wonderful Severus. I LOVE LOVE LOVE you. I admit I even started to have my doubts about him in this book. >.< I was so sure he was innocent after we had the big discussion about him after HBP and Pink wrote her essay. But then... when he told Voldemort the date they were leaving Privet Drive and slashed George's ear off I was like.. hmm. And then when Voldemort set the snake on him I thought he was instantly dead and was thinking "wow, thats it then, he was evil" and THEN the memories and the "look.. at.. me" OMG, how I wept.
And the "look..at..me" explains the entire significance of Lily's eyes if you missed it. They were what kept Snape going, because Harry looked just like his father but he had his mothers eyes, a reminder to Snape about what he was doing it all for. People seem to think there's something ELSE about Lily's eyes that JK hasn't explained but really, thats it.

And I was so very proud of Harry as he walked through the forest to die, and him opening the snitch to find the resurrection stone etc ("I am about to die.." <3<3) and I admit, when the flash of green light came "and all was gone" I stopped reading and just howled. I actually loved Harry in this one.

The King's Cross Limbo has inspired a lot of criticism from fans on the MuggleNet forum etc (but wth? why was Dumbledore there if he's supposed to have passed over, what was the baby etc etc) and I think this is one of those instances where you can't completely explain it, you just have to accept it. The baby by the way was the part of Voldies soul that *was* in Harry before he Avada'd him.
Remember in Goblet of Fire, before Vold got his proper body back, he was a hideous little baby exactly the same as the one at King's Cross, thats the representation of a person with only a fragment of soul left.
I didn't feel in the least confused by this scene although I cannot seem to explain it to anyone else. xD I just think of it as a sort of "life-beyond-death", real/not-real scene where things don't have to make absolute sense.

I have so much more to say but I don't want to ramble.

[Hogwarts]

I rather liked the King's Cross scene, and got that the ugly baby was Voldemort hahaha - more disturbed by the epilogue though, as I've said before - because JK sortaaa lied - it really didn't tie much up. No mention of home (!), careers (!!), other major supporting characters (!!!) besides the trio and Draco and the immature glimpses of their babbling children. Ugh. Everything before the epilogue tied up the series wonderfully - and then she added that at the end and it was like, "Heh... kay?"

I think she shoulda really thought about revising that HEAVILY - since she did have the epilogue written before the book was done right? An oversight, really.

[Hogwarts]

And I know she said she wouldn't, but the peoples of the mugglenet and the other sites are begging, if JK even tries to begin another series with the Potter offspring I don't think I'll be able to read it. I just want her to stop here with some dignity left - and not yield to the crazier fans who just want it to go and go and go 'til it just becomes overkill and bullshit-y. But that's me.

--- *as I keep coming back here but I can't stop thinking about shittt!*

Totally forgot Dudley's redemption. Was cute how he appreciated his cousin all of a sudden - seems like if JK wasn't killing off her characters, she was shedding an extremely forgiving light upon them.

[Nahtan]

I got the Voldy Soul thing, was talking about to to a friend the other day

I dont think JK will write another book, but she has had an interview lately, this is what its about:

“J.K. Rowling told TODAY’s Meredith Vieira she will most likely publish a Potter encyclopedia, promising many more details about her beloved characters and the fate of the wizarding world beyond the few clues provided in the seventh book’s epilogue.

While Rowling hasn’t officially started writing the encyclopedia, although she’s got plenty of material from the stories left on the cutting room floor over the past 17 years.

“I’ve said before that Dean Thomas had a much more interesting history than ever appeared in the books for me, and you just see glimpses of it,” Rowling said. “But to write it really would take us into prequel territory. And that does take us into Star Wars territory. And that’s not really a place I’m planning to go.

“So there’s always been bits that I knew about characters that didn’t make final cuts because they weren’t that relevant.” ...

Fans will have to wait a bit longer to get their hands on Rowling’s next Potter work.

“I’m not going to (write the encyclopedia) tomorrow because I’d really like a break,” Rowling said. “So you may be waiting.”